The 483rd Bomb Group Archive

Aircraft

42-107170 L No Name

817thlost with the 483rd, 18 July 1944
Type
B-17G-35-DL (Douglas)
Names
L No Name
Assigned to the 483rd
14 April 1944
Loss
MACR 6978 · mission 51, 18 July 1944
Sources
Association page · American Air Museum · b17flyingfortress.de
Flags. Association page model B-17 G 35 BD disagrees with the database block B-17G-35-DL: 42-106984 to 42-107233

Loss and incident records

History

Dates and events from Dave Osborne's B-17 Master Log, as published by b17flyingfortress.de; wording condensed to the facts.

Photographs and loss sheets

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Statements

Casualty questionnaire, page 10: Dommick John Lionette · 18 July 1944
FPPA-12
CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
1. Your name Dommick John Lionette Rank 2nd Lt Serial No. 0-1691638
Organization 8175gd 483B.Gip Commander Barton Rank Col Sqn CO Gorman Rank Capt.
John J.
2.
(full name)
(full name)
3. What year 1944
month July day 18 did you 80 down?
4: Drome
4. What was the mission, Bomb A/D. , target, Mammingen,
time, 1100
,altitude,
route scheduled,
, ,route flown
5.
Where were you when you left formation? Between Kempden and Memmingen
Germany
6. Did you bail out?
Yes
7. Did other members of crew bail out? 8 others bailed out
8. Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no
individual questionnaire is attached bailed out. A crew list is attached. Please
cive facts. If you don't know, say : "No Knowledge". ht Parke Moewe, Lt James
R Haley Lt John TBlanchard , s/s Omar Dreps went out at the
same time as I did. Other Crewman Not Known
9. Where did your aircraft strike the ground? Unknown
10. What members of your crew were in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Should
cross check with 8 above and individual questionnaires) S/S John C. Burns
believed still in aircraft (Not seen however)
11. Where were they in aircraft? Ball Turret
12. What was their condition? Unknown
13.
When, where, and in what condition did you last see any members not already des-
cribed above? All crew members except Jack C. Burns
righted after war.
1+. Please give any similar information on personnel of any other crew of which you
have knowledge. Indicate source of information. None
(Any additional information may be written on the back)
6-3862,AF

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Casualty questionnaire, page 11 · 18 July 1944
AFPPA-11
INDIVIDUAL CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
Name of crew member:
Burns, Jack c.
File 6978
Rank:
s/sigt
Serial number:
18049709
Position: Crew (Bomber) Asst Radio Operater
Did he bail out?
No
Where?
If not, why not?
He was killed in the ball Turret
Last contact or conversation just prior to or at time of loss of plane :
Before the
first wave of fighters hit us. Interphone was shot out.
Was he injured?
Killed
Where was he when last seen?
In the ball turret.
Any hearsay information:
Information all hearsay so to say. It is
just what the boys in the back of the ship told me when I saw
them later; during or arter our confinement in Germany, As
Bombardier of course, I had no opportunity to see Jack in the
back of the ship with my onn eyes.
Source:
Any explanation of his fate based in part or wholly on supposition :
Total number of missions of above crew member:
About forty
Dates and destinations if possible:
T.Blanchird
John T. Blanchard
lst. Lt. O.R.C.
6-3861, AF

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Casualty questionnaire, page 12 · 18 July 1944
AFSRA- 11
INDIVIDUAL CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
Name of crew member:
Burna, Jack C.
File 6978
Rank:
s/sgt
Serial number:
18049709
Position: Crew (Bomber) Asst Radie Operator
Did be bail out?
No
Where?
If not, why not?
willed N
Last contact or conversation just prior to or at time of loss of plane:
Interprexs shoo out After first attach
Was he injured? Yes
Where was he when
last seen? BA19 Dupped.
Any hearsay information:
Source:
any explanation of his fate based in part or wholly on supposition:
Total number of missions of above crew member: Shoo down on 38 x missions
Dates and destinations if possible: Un known
6-3861, AF

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Casualty questionnaire, page 13: Preper Omar H · 18 July 1944
A.FPPA-12
.
CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
1. Your name
Preper Omar H.
Rank 9sq
Serial No. 37415088
2. Organization 48336.0 Commander Barton Rank Coloneisan CO GORMAN Rank CAFL
(full name)
(full name)
3. What year 1944
month July day 18 did you go down?
4. What was the mission, bempingtin drome , target, Me Air minge N, Germany ,
target
time, 11:45
altitude, 25,500
route scheduled,
, ,route flown
5. Where were you when you left formation NeAr Kempies Germany
6. Did you bail out?
Yes
7. Did other members of crew bail out?
Yes,
8. Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no
individual questionnaire is attached bailed out. A crew list is attached. Please
¿ive facts. If you don't know, say: "No Knowledge".
All crew members except JACK B vans bailed out
simultaneously After our shipware WAS hit.
g.
Where did your aircraft strike the ground? Ship exploded before it hidges
10. What members of your crew were in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Should
cross check with 8 above and individual questionnaires) Jucs Busns
11. Where were they in aircraft? BAll turned.
12. What was their condition? Killed by CANNON she lik exploding in furnet
13.
When, where, and in wha+ condition did you last see any members not already des-
cribed above?
14. Please give any similar information on personnel of any other crew of which you
have knowledge. Indicate source of information.
(Any additional information may be written on the back)
6-3862,AF

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Casualty questionnaire, page 14 · 18 July 1944
AFPPA-11
INDIVIDUAL CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
Name of crew member:
Burns, Jack C.
File 6978
Rank:
s/Sgt
Serial number:
18049709
Position: Crew (Bomber) Asst Radio Operator
Did he bail out? No
Where?
If not, why not? I believe he was killed iN The baLL TuRReTT
Last contact or conversation just prior to or at time of loss of plane: CRew
check c N iNTeRPhoNs Just before act ion begaN.
Was he injured? No.
Where was he when last seen? IN The baLL TURReTT
Any hearsay information NONe.
Source: : NONe
Any explanation of his fate based in part or wholly on supposition: My position
was heal waist. We weRe shot down by evemy aiRaction
OURShip was Riddled, ongire and The wall TURReIT Took
a direct e Nemy cannon FiRe hit FOR The exphasion blew
The a mmunition Cover eggite ball TuR8eTI at MY Eeet.
Total number of missions of above crew member 29 SIRTies and 38 Missions
Dates and destinations if possible: Last Mission was July 18, 1944 and
Mesnington , Germany We were shot down ONTHE bomb RUN.
6-3861, AF

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Casualty questionnaire, page 15 · 18 July 1944
1
AFPPA-12
CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
1. Your name Edward J. 1/59T Serial No. 39325960
Organization 483 Gp Commander Barton Rank CoL. Sqn CO John GORMAR Captain
Carl. L.
2.
3. What year 1944
month July day 18 did you go down?
(fully name)
(full name)
Germany
4. What was the mission, memmington, target, a:R field (sighter/target
time, 11:05 a m altitude, 23. 500
route scheduled, UNKNOWN
, route flown UNNNOWN
OUR plane was 5 of Left boy or
5. Where were you when you left formation? 33box I was at hellwaist gun
6. Did you bail out? yes
7. Did other members of crew bail out? yes
8. Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no
individual questionnaire is attached bailed out. A crew list is attached. Please
give facts. If you don't know, say: "No Knowledge". ALL bailed out except
Jack C. BURNI and have Returned To the STaTes"
9. Where did your aircraft strike the ground? UNKNOWN
10. What members of your crew were in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Should
cross check with 8 above and individual questionnaires) Jack C. BURNS should
havebeen To Th- best of my knowledge and behi eghe
was Dead iN The ' and TurRet
was he
11. Where were they in aircraft? Bahh TuRReII
12. What was their condition? I could Not see him for glames of Fire
i N Radio ROOM FLOOR.
13. When, where, and in what condition did you last see any members not already des-
cribed above? Saw aLL other CRew Members at "RaMP" camp Lucky
STRUCKY. iN May of 1945
14. Please give any similar information on personnel of any other crew of which you
have knowledge. Indicate source of information. None
(Any additional information may be written on the back)
6-3862,AF

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Casualty questionnaire, page 16 · 18 July 1944
AFPPA-11
INDIVIDUAL CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
Name of crew member:
Burne, Jack C.
Pile 6978
Rank:
Serial number:
s/sgt
Position: Crew (Bomber)
(Fighter):
Asot Radie Operater
Did he bail out? I DO NOT KNOW
Where?
If not, why not?
Last contact or conversation just prior to or at time of loss of plane : RADIO
ENER AMEDIATELY, THEREFORE No CONTACT
Was he injured?
UNKNOWN
Where was he when last seen? BALL TURRET (B-17)
Any hearsay information ENGINEER EDWARD LAFFERTY REPORTED SINCE
THAT BURNS CEASED FIRE DURING BATTLE COINCIDENT
WITH 20 MM MIT IN BALL TURRET AREA. FLAMES FROM RADIO AROM
MANE ACCESS TO BALL TURRET INPOSSIBLE. LAFFERTY REPORTED
NO AUREMENT OF TURKET or 3164 OF LIFE AFTER 20MM HIT
Source : T/sar EDWARD (CHEW ENGINEER is LEED WAIST POLITION)
Any explanation of his fate based in part or wholly on supposition: ENEMY AIRCRAES
CONCENTRATED FIRE INTO BALL THERET AREA. OBVIOUSLY TURRET
WAS HIT AND PUT OUT OF ACTION OR AITAKKS WOULD HAVE BEEN
LESS FROM THAT AREA. = BELIEVE J. BURNS KILLED
DURING EAILLE
Total number of missions or above crew member: APPRO BATELY 28
Dates and destinations if possible: UNKNOWN
6-3861, AF

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Casualty questionnaire, page 17: MOEWE, PARKE W · 18 July 1944
AFPPA-12
CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
1.
Your name MOEWE, PARKE W.
Rank is LI Serial No. 0-759277
2. Organization 483 Gp Commander BARTON Rank col., San CO J.J. GORMAN/Pank CAPTAIN
(full name)
(full name)
3. What year 1944
month JULY
day 18
did you go down?
4. What was the mission, 31
, target, MEMARGEN GERMANY target
time, 11:00 AM ,altitude, 21,000 FT
route scheduled, UP ADRIATIC
NITALY - troute flown SAME
5. Where were you when you left formation? 40MILES SOUTH OF
6. Did you bail out? YES
7. Did other members of crew bail out? YES
8. Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no
individual questionnaire is attached bailed out. A crew list is attached. Please
give facts. If you don't know, say: "No Knowledge". ALIQMENE, I BLANCHARD
FHALEY BAILED OUT TO MY PERSONAL KNOWLEGE No KNOWLESE
OF ESGAPE.
9.
Where did your aircraft strike the ground? uMKNOWN-VICINITY OF KEMPTEN
10. What members of your crew were in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Should
cross check with 8 above and individual questionnaires) UNKNOWN
11. Where were they in aircraft? -
12. What was their condition? -
13. When, where, and in what cond: tion did you last see any members not already des-
cribed above? J. BURNS ONLY one I FARED to LOCATE SINCE
REPATRIATION. I LAST SAW BURNS Ar AR ENTERED SHIP FOR
MISSION.
14. Please give any similar information on personnel of any other crew of which you
have knowledge. Indicate source of information.
(Any additional information may be written on the back)
6-3862, AF

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Casualty questionnaire, page 18 · 18 July 1944
AFPPA-11
INDIVIDUAL CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
Name of crew member :
Burres, Jack C.
File é978
Rank:
s/sgt
Serial number:
1804.9709
Position: Crew (Bomber) Asst Radio Operator
Did he bail out?
NOT TO MY ANONLEDGE
Where?
L
If not, why not?
DIREST HIT IN BALL TURRET By SEVERAGZING
Last contact or conversation just prior to or at time of loss of plane JUST BEFORE
AITACA OF EMEMY IGHTERS. INTERPHONE-SHOTOUT -
Was he injured?
APPARENTLY FILLED.
Where was he when last seen? THEWAIST
IN BEFORE GETTINGING BALLZING
Any hearsay information: Two WAISI GUNNERS SLAIM burtls WAS
HILLED AT THE OUTSET of THE BAITLE,
Source :
TWO WAIST GUNNE RS. ET XAKNE. LL an KCT LAFFERTY
Any explanation of his fate based in part or wholly on supposition: SEVERAL
DIRECT HITS IN THE PALL TURRET ASSUMING THAT
ENDED HIS FATE
Total number of missions of above crew member: 38
Dates and destinations if possible: JuLY 18,1945 WASTHE LAST Misseen'
OVER MEMMINGEN, AIR PROME.
6-3861, AF

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Casualty questionnaire, page 19: ROSZCZEWSKI, VICTOR J · 18 July 1944
AFPPA-12
CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
1. Your name ROSZCZEWSKI, VICTOR J. Rank S/SET. Serial No. 16082812
2. Organization 483 Gp Commander BARTON Rank Coh. Sqn CO GORMAN Rank MAJOR
1945
(full name)
(full name)
3. What year 19445
month JULY
day 18
did you go down?
4. What was the mission, MEMMINGEN,GER, target, AIRDROME
, target
t ime,APPROX 11:30 , altitude, 2 5,000
route scheduled, THROUGH
ADRIATIC ANORTH IALY , route flown SA ME
5. Where were you when you left formation ABOUT IMIN. FROM I.F.
6. Did you bail out? YES
7. Did other members of crew bail out? YES EXCEPT BURNS
8. Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no
individual questionnaire is attached bailed out. A crew list is attached. Please
give facts. If you don't know, say "No Knowledge". No KNOLEDGE
OF ACCURATE FACTS OF VALUE. ALL LEFT THE
SHIP EXCEPT BURNS.
9. Where did your aircraft strike the ground? NOT FAR FROM MEMMINGEN
APPROX:- WEST
10. What members of your crew were in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Should
cross check with 8 above and individual questionnaires) SISET. JACKC. BURNS
11. Where were they in aircraft? IN THE BALL TURRET
12. What was their condition?
PROBABLY BLOWN UP,
13.
When, where, and in what condition did you last see any members not already des-
cribed above? I SAW ALL MEMBERS OF OUR CREW IN
FOOD CONDITION AT LEHARVE, FRANCE CAMP
LUCKY STRIKE EXCEPTING JACK C. BURNS,
14. Please give any similar information on personnel of any other crew of which you
have knowledge. Indicate source of information. ALL OTHER INFORMATION
IS HEARSAY. I HAVE MET MOST OF OTHER CRE
ME ME RS DFOTHER CRESS IN THE PRISON CAMP AND
THE SAME MEMBERS I HAVE CONTACTED IN THE U.S.
AND AT LEHARVE BEFORE E MEARHING FCR HOME,
.
(Any additional information may be written on the back)
a-1,
6-3862,AF

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Eyewitness statement, page 20 · 18 July 1944
CASUALTY #0.
MB-ESU-1623
REPORT ON SNOT-DONN AIRCRAFT
DATE AND TIME ATECRAFT
WAS SMOT DOVN: 18 July 1944 toward 11,00 o'cleck
PLACE OF CRASN: Ref, Parachuted over from a crashed Boeing B 17
Fortress (according to statement of prissner)
TYPE OF AIRCOAFT:
REPISTING OFFICE: Air Base Command A (o) 14/V11 Kaufbeures - 19 July 1944
CREW
AED Dreps,
FIEST NAME: Omar H.
DATE OF BIRTN:
RASE:
s/Sgt.
SERIAL BUNDER: 37 416 068
CAPTURED: Captured
WOURDED:
DEAD:
DISTRIBUTION: WNICN CAMP:
TYPE or INJORT:
GRAVE LOCATION:
REMARKS:
Captured on 18 July 1944 toward 11,00 o'cleck in
By order of,
Mayola
Major and Chief officer

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German capture report, page 31 · 18 July 1944
Date and Time Aircraft
Casualty-No. ME 1683
was shot dawn:
18 July 44 . 11.00
Flase of Craith:
Area Muningen
Type of Aircraft:
l'ortress
Reporting office:
Air District VII
Capt'd
Place of
NAM 3
Rank
Serial-No.
wounded
Interment
dead
DREPS
Omar Henry
S/SGT
37415088
captured
Dulag-luft
19 Aug 1983 Maeystown, Ill.
HALEY
James Raymond lst Lt. 0-807840 eaptured Dulag-Luft
LIONETTE
Dominiok John and Lt. 0-1691638 captured Dulag-luft
MOEWE
Parke william 2nd Lt. 0-759277
captured
Dulag-Luft
Akron, Ohio
BLANCHARD John Tuck
2nd Lt. 0-757513 esptured Dulag-Tuft
28 Febr 1918 USA
Vietor Joseph s/sot 16082812 captured Dulag-Luft
17 Ost 1917 Detroit Mich.
LAFFERTY Fdward J. T/SOT 39385960 captured Dulag-Luft
BURNS
Jack c.
18049709 dead cometery of
Seibranz.
YARNELL
Robert Strock
3/sot
35603235
captured
Dulag-Luft West
23 March 1924
Garl william T/SGT 35164291 captured Dulag-Luft West
Dulag-Luft, 31 July 44 Wo.

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Eyewitness statement, page 4 · 18 July 1944
EVS. Rádio Opurator Carl. W.
I/SEt 35164291 l'rs. C.A. Kleinknecht
Kleinknecht,
Hichunond, Indiana.
(mothor), 201 S. 2lst St RTD
KAV A.R.O.
Gurns, Jack C.
s/Sgt. 18049709 Nancy Burns, (wife)
Capan, Ollahoma
EVSS. Armorer Gunner Yarnell, Robort St
S/S t 35603235 Sarah S. Yarnell, (mother) RTD
Route #6, Wooster, Ohilo
EVS 0. Asst Arm Gunner Roszczowsli, Victor J. E/S:t 16082012 Wanda 11. Roszczewsli (wife) RTD
20240 Rogge St., Detroit, lich
11. IDENTIFY BELON THOSE JHO ARE RELIEVED TO HAVE LAST KHOWLED E OF AIRCRAFT AND
CHECK APPROPRIATE Ronly one) COLU.IN TO INDICATE BAS S FOR SAIE
NAME IN FULL
RANK
SERIAL NO.
ist sighted
1. Willard S. Sperry
Lt. Col.
0-396325
X
2. Froderick Ii. Orringer 2nd Lt.
0-702956
X
12. T.I PERSONNEL ARE believed TO HAVE SURVIVED, CHECK ONE OF THE FOLLOWING:
( ) Parachutes wore used ( ) P rsons seen walking away from scone of crash ( )Any
other reason. Surrounding circumstances are not reasonably conclusive of a KIA casualty
status.
13. ATTACH, AS AN INCLOSURE IO THIS REPORT, EITHER AERIAL PHOTOGRAPII, MAP, TATI, OR
SKETCH, SHOWING APPROXILATE LOCATION /HE it AIRCRATT NAS LAST SEEN. Attached.
14. ATTACH, AS INCLOSURES TO LHIS .EPORT, EXEWITNESS DESC NIPTIONS OF CRASH, FO CED LANDING
OR OTHER CIRCULISTAVICES TO MISSING AIR AFT.
15. ATTACH, AS AN TO THIS PEPORT, A DESCRIPTION O THE EXTENT OF SEARCH,
IF
ANY,
AND GIVE MALE, Aim, AMD SERIAL NUMBER OF OFFICER IN CHARG. HERE. None. Crow MIA
in enemy occupied territory.
Date of this report 20 July 19/44
W.S.Chin
3 Incls:
V. L. LIMN,
Incl 1-Ovorlay
Major, Air Corps,
Incl 2-Statement Lt. Col. Sperry
Opurations Officer
Incl 3-Statement Lt. Orringer.
GOHIDDHTIA
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Eyewitness statement, page 5 · 18 July 1944
CONFIDENTIAL
HEADQUARTERS
FOUR EIGHTY THIRD BOMBARDLENT GROUP (H)
APO 520
Statement of Witness
On 18 July 1944 the 483rd Bombardment Group (H) vent into the
assigned target area without fighter escort or other group support. As
the initial point was approached approximately seventy-five (75) enemy
fighters swept by the group formation on the right making a wide turn at
the rear in preparation for a tail attack.
When the 483rd Group executed the turn onto the bombing run the
four boxes went into the box-in-trail formation. While the turn was being
rade, the aforementioned enemy fighters attacked, supported by an addition-
al force of equal fighter strength. The estimated total or my fighter
strength was approximately 175-200 when the tail attack was made.
Seven airplanes of the 816th Bombardment Squadron made up the number
four box, and the entire enemy fighter strength made a concentrated attack
on these seven airplanes. Three B-17's were shot to pieces while in level
flight and while maintaining their positions in formation. A fourth went
down, apparently shot out of control, and broke apart as soon as the ship
went into a spin. The three remaining airplanes of the 816th Squadron
drifted out of formation and appeared to be out of control, two of which
were beginning to burn. Several occasional parachutes were seen although
a number of crew members were thrown from their ships and it is unknowm
whether their parachutes functioned.
A considerable number of enemy fighters were shot dovm by the gunners
in these ships while the attack was being made, but the fightor fire power
was overwhelming. The enemy attack was made in such a marner that very few
guns of each airplano could bear on the fighters.
The fighter attack was executed in waves of 5 and 6 ships in close
javelin formation closing directly and on a level with the tail of each B-17.
The fighter waves concentrated on 2 or 3 ships on an attack, and fired only
on the rearmost airplanes.
The fighters moved up to the number three box after destroying the
airplanes of the 816th Squadron, and five ships of the 817th Squadron were
destroyed in the same manner.
Twelve remaining airplanes of the 483rd Group reached the target and
dropped their bombs.
WILLARD S. SPERRY;
Lt. Col., Air Corps,
Deputy Group Commander.

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Casualty questionnaire, page 9 · 18 July 1944
INDIVIDUAL CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
Name of crew member:
Burne, Jack C.
File 6978
Rank:
s/sgt
Serial number:
Position: Crew (Bomber)
(Righten): Asst Radie
Did he bail out?
Not Known
? Between Kempden and Memmingen, Germanyl ( Munic of h )
S. W o
Wherei
If not, why
not? Believed hit and trapped in Ball Turret
Last contact or conversation just prior to or at time of loss of plane:
None
Was he injured? Not Known - Believed to be wounded
Where was he when last seen? In Ball Turret
Any hearsay information:
Believed Trapped in Ball Turret
because of Enemy Fire - Out of communication
with other crew members - Thought to be
wounded by Eoemy air craft - Neverseen or heard
of after Attack started.
Source:
Other crew members in waist of ship
Any explanation of his fate based in part or wholly on supposition: Thought
to have gone down with ship
Total number of missions of above crew member: 39
Dates and destinations if possible: Unknown
6-3861, AF

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