The 483rd Bomb Group Archive

Aircraft

44-6199

816thlost with the 483rd, 21 January 1945
Type
B-17G-45-DL (Douglas)
Assigned to the 483rd
14 July 1944
Loss
MACR 11539 · mission 151, 21 January 1945
Sources
Association page · American Air Museum · b17flyingfortress.de

Loss and incident records

History

Dates and events from Dave Osborne's B-17 Master Log, as published by b17flyingfortress.de; wording condensed to the facts.

Photographs and loss sheets

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Statements

Eyewitness statement, page 2 · 21 January 1945
040
300
to
HIEC
hg as
by P. M. AG MISSING AIR CREW REPORT
11539
Date, 418
1. OROANIZATION, Location Sterparone, Italy
Command or Air Force 15th AY
Croup 483rd Bomb (H)
Squadron
816th Bomb (H)
2 SPECIFY: Place of departure Sterparone, Italy
Course See attached overlay,
Target
Lobau 011 Ref. Austria.
Type of mission
Combat Bombing
3. WEATHER CONDITIONS AND VISIBILITY AT TIME OF CRASH OR WHEN LAST RÉPORTED:
Intense clouds.
4. OIVE: [a) Date 21 Jan. 1945 Time 1330 Last known position 6-30N / 17 2118
(b) Specify whether: Last sighted, I 1 Forced down, I 1 Seen to crash,
Last ccl id by radio, 1 1 No information.
5. AIRCRAFT [LOST] [BELIEVED LOSTATAS A RESULT OF: [Check one enly]
I 1 Enemy sircrait, I 1 Enemy abti alrcralt, 1 ) Other Nechanical difficulty - loss of tato ergines.
5. AIRCRAFT: Typr, model & serits B-170
AAF Serial Nember
7. NICKNAME OF AIRCRAFT
None
8. ENOINES: Type, model & series
R-1820-97
AAF Serial Number
(b) SW-020877
[c 57-020710
[d] I-020748
9. NSTALLED WFAPONS: [Make, type and serial number
(s) 1178551
(e) 1091122
1178577 (m) 1178005
(b) 1178536
(1) 1180557
H1
604042
[c] 1091124
(g) 1180866
[k]
[d] 1178698
(b) 117862
(1)
1180908
10. PERSONNEL LISTED BELOW REPORTYD AS: IXI Battle Casualty, I 1 Non Battle Casualty.
11. NUMBER OF PERSONS ABOARD AIRCRAFT: Crew 10 ; Passengers 0 ; Total 10
[If more than 12 persons aboard aircratt use separt! sheet)
CREW
FULL NAME (Last, first, initial)
CURI.ENT NEXT OF KIN, RELATIONSH
POSITION
RANK, SERIAL NUMBER
STATUS AND ADDKESS
(1) Pilot
Prescott, Victor 2nd Lt RIDE
Nrs. Prescott - Hife -
0-828517
1642 Rotary Drive, los Angales, Calif.
un
C P
Grim, Jacob L. 2nd It
ATD
lic. Elmer H. Grimm, Sr. - Father -
0-777654
Box 234, Hermanie,
pr
N
Bratlic, Jack n. 2ne-It
RTO Mit
1r. John L. Bratlie - Father -
0-2068581
Ridgefield, Washington.
4)
B
Santiago, Jtari F. 2nd Lt RTD
MIA
Mrs. Dorothy J. Santiago - Wife -
0-2065431
h30 West 3hth St., Los Angoles, Calif.
(5)
TT
Boraten, Bernard I. ap
lirs. Anna Boraten - Mother -
33598623
Box 21, Winfield, Pennaylvania.
101
MO
Gray, James H. s/sst
lirs. Betty Gray - Wife -
34070106
Box 292, Alba, Missouri.
7;
R
Foster, Charles K. Cpl
1TA
lirs. Betty Foster - -
13128h83
6117 Ray Avear St. Louis, Mo.
0)
3T
Caspar, Kenneth il Cpl
RTD
lics. I'lly Caspar - Mother -
33703500
435 Tarkspur St., kunhall, Pennaylvania
91
WG
Crandall, Billy G. Qpl
RTD
lirs. Bessie Ceandall - Mother
-
35876887
19h2 Fergueson Rd., Cincinnati, Obio,
10)
TG. Arthur C.P. Cpl no Wand
33455562
RTD
(11)
(12)
12. IDENTIFY BELOW THOSE PERSONS WHO ARE BELIEVED TO HAVE LAST KNOWLEDOE OF AIRCRAFI
AND CHECK APPROPRIATE [one only) COLUMN TO INDICATE BASIS FOR SAME:
SAW
CONTACTED LAST
SAW
FORCED
NAME IN FULL
RANK
SERIAL No.
BY TADIO SIOHTED CRASH LANDINO
(I) or. L. Linn
It
Col. 0-409926 (See attached statement)
12]
(3)
13.
IF PERSONNEL ONHAVE SURVIVED, CHECK ONE OF THE FOLLOWINO:
[
1 Perachutes werline and Person werá leen walking away from the scene of the crash.
Y
%
Other reasons See attached statement
14. ATT

National Archives, MACR 11539, page 2 · Machine-read from microfilm, uncorrected.

Casualty questionnaire, page 5: Bratlie, Jack R · 21 January 1945
AFPPA-12
11539.
CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
1. Your name Bratlie, Jack R.
Rank ist Lt. Serial No. 0-2068581
Barton
as
2. Organization 483 Bm Gp Commender PAul BartRank Col. Sqn COJack DouglRank Malor,
(full name)
(full name)
3. What year
1945
month Januery
day 21
did you go down?
4. that was the mission, Vienna on Refzarget,
Vienna
, target
ime, 1258
altitude, 27400
route scheduled,
, route flown
5. Where were you when you left formation? Kralova 48° 21' N. 17°18' E.
6. Did you bail out?
No.
7. Did other members of crew bail out? No.
8. Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no
individual questionnaire is attached bailed out. A crew list is attached. Please
give facts. If you don't know, say: "No Knowledge". Our crew 10 men all
no one bailed out. All landed safely.
9. Where did our aRcreft strike the ground? Landed 11 kilo. southeast of
48 57 N. 19 46 E.
K-3kunmajsa Hungary.
10. What membex of your crew were in the airoraft when it struck the ground? (Should
cross check with 8 above and individual questionnaires)
All members of the crew were 12 the plane, and all crashed-landed
safely,
11. Where wore they in aircraft?They were in ditching positions.
12. What was their condition? No ons was injured,
13. When, where, and in what condition did you last see any members not already des-
cribed above? We were all taken safely to friendly peasants, turned
over to Russians, and then turned over to the American mission in
Bucharest, nunania. From there WO were fown to Bari, Italy. 15th
Air Force headquarters, and then interro. ten and frown back to our
base.
14. Please give any similar information on personnel of any other crow of which you
have knowledge. Indicate source of information. Lt. Alex Korshumk boabardier
Was killed when the crew with which he was flying tried to crash-land
someplace in Jugoslavia. There were II men on the plane and three of
the men got out sarely, the rest were killed. I don't know the names
OT the other men. The pilot, and 00-01200 were smong those sare and
the co-pilot told the story to ne.
(Any additional information may be written on the back)
6-3862, AF

National Archives, MACR 11539, page 5 · Machine-read from microfilm, uncorrected.

Casualty questionnaire, page 6: Grimm, I zcob hloyd · 21 January 1945
AFPPA-12
CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
14539
1. Your name Grimm, I zcob hloyd Rank 1stht Serial No. 0777654
2. Organization 483 Gp Commander Borton Rank Col. Sqn CO Douglass Rank Maj.
(full name)
(full name)
3. what year 1945
month JANUARY day 21 did you go down?
OIL REFINERY
4. What was the mission, VENNIA , target,
, target
time,
,altitude, 27,500
route scheduled,
, route flown
5. Where were you when you left formation? New Lake Bilston
6. Did you bail out?
No
7. bail out? No
Did other members of crew
8. Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no
individual questionnaire is attached bailed out. A crew list is attached. Please
give facts. If you don't know, say: "No Knowledge".
9. Where did your aircraft strike the ground? Appx. 50 MILE S.E. Budapest
10. What members of your crew were in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Should
cross check with 8 above and individual questionnaires) ALL MEMBERS
11. Where were they in
aircraft? Radio Room
18. What was their condition?
No Casulties
13. When, where, and in what condition did you last see any members not already des-
cribed
above? WE NEVER SEPERATED
14. Please give any similar information on personnel of any other crew of which you
have knowledge. Indicate source of information.
(Any additional information may be written on the back)
6-3862, AF

National Archives, MACR 11539, page 6 · Machine-read from microfilm, uncorrected.

Casualty questionnaire, page 8: PRESCON, Victor · 21 January 1945
11539
AFPPA-1?
CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
1. Your name PRESCON, Victor
Rank 15TLr Serial No. 0-828517
PAUL SBARTON
JACK D.DDUSIAS
2. Organization 483 Gp Commander
Rank CoL Sqn CO
Rank MAK
(full name)
(full name)
3. What year 1945
month JAN day 21 did you go down?
4. What was tire mission, x 5th , target, ROBAN, VIENNA oil REFINERY , target
time, 1225
altitude, 27.5.00
route scheduled, EOGGIA-
ruute flown
SAME
5. Where were you when you left formation? OVER VIENNA (APPROXE)
6. Did you bail out? No.
7. Did other members of crew bail out? No.
8. Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no
individual questionnaire is attached bailed out. A. crew list is attached. Please
gi ve facts. If you don't know, say: "No Knowledge". ALL MEMBERS
OF CREN ELECTED To ATTENT CRASM LANDING
RATHER THAN BAIL AT LOW ALTITUDE WHICH
WAS APPROX 1000 ABOVE GROUND
9.
Where did your aircraft strike the ground! 11 KM. So EASY OF Kis KUNMAIIA
10. What members of your crew wero in the aircraft when it struek the ground? (Should
cross check with 8 above and individual questionnaires) ALL MEMEMBERS,
11. Where were they in aircraft? in SRASH haveing Pos. (B-17) iE. CREW
in RADIO RM. PILOT a Co Dicor AT
12. What was their condition? SHAKEN - APPARENTLY Nor HURI
13. When, where, and in what condition did you last see any members not already des-
cribed above? WE ALL RETURNED To 15th AAF - HO
TOGETHER.
14. Please give any similar information on personnel of any crew of which you
have knowledge. Indicate source of information. Mar 4
5/s6T
(GUANA
SHOT DOWN SAME TIME PREVIOUS PROM OUR an HE
WAS CARTURED By GERMANS. AH 4 BROKEN has
HE
WAS
LIBERATER
Bys.,UUSSIANS
AND
RETURNED
To 15th AAF um HQ ON dr ABOUT THE SAME DAY
AS Wo Dip-
DONT
Know
als
NAME
:R
DESCRIPTION.
(Any additional information may be written on the back)
6-3862, AF

National Archives, MACR 11539, page 8 · Machine-read from microfilm, uncorrected.

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