The 483rd Bomb Group Archive

Aircraft

44-6267

817thlost with the 483rd, 18 July 1944
Type
B-17G-50-DL (Douglas)
Assigned to the 483rd
7 July 1944
Loss
MACR 7097 · mission 51, 18 July 1944
Sources
Association page · American Air Museum · b17flyingfortress.de

Loss and incident records

History

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Statements

Eyewitness statement, page 23: Bat. de · 18 July 1944
AFPPA-II
INDIVIDUAL CASUANTY QUESTIONNAIRE
Name of crew member:
Bat. de
Rank:
Serial number:
Position: Crow
AM
Did he bail out? Unknewn
#here?
Mewningen, Germany
If not, why not?
Probably killed during fighter attack.
Tast contact or conversation just prior to or at time of loss of plane:
None
Was he injured?
Body found by ball turret gunner
Where was he when last seen?
Unknown
Any hearsay information: Ball turret gunner removed identification discs from dead
body and gave then to German Army representative. Luftwaffe interagator st Dulag Luft
informed me that S 1sgt. Dadson was the only member of my crew killed.
Source:
Any explanation of his fate based in part or wholly on supposition:
It was a known fact to several members of the crew that S/Sgt Dadson was killed during
fighter attack.
Total number of missions of above crew member: Appreyinately forty (40) missions.
Dates and destinations if possible: Date shot down - 18 July 1941
JAMES C. SANTERS, 0-757092
Captain, Air Corps
6-3861, AF

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Eyewitness statement, page 24: Wondow W. ALTIZER · 18 July 1944
CASUALTY
1.
Your name Wondow W. ALTIZER Rank Capt Serial No, 0-862508
2. Organization Gp Commander
4183rd B-
Rank CoL Sqn CO
Rank Capt.
(full name)
(full neme)
3. What 1944
year
month JULY day 18 did you go down? yes
4. What was the mission, UNKNOWN , target, Hiy Field.
, target
t ime, LIND Now , altitude, 24500
route scheduled, UNKNOWN
? ,route flown
UNANOWN
5. Where were you when you
left formation? CLose To Swiss Border
6. Did you bail out? Yes
?. Did other membars of crew bail out?
Ye {
8. Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your aircrafu for whom no
individual questionnaire is attached bailed out. A crew list is attached. Please
give facts. If you don't know, say: "No Knowledge". Navigator, Bombedier,
CePinot Myself used Frant Nose exedee Harch ON beicing OUT
No Knowlege of other Crew members
9. Where did your aircraft strike the ground? Close To Memmicry TON
10. What members of your crew were in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Should
cross check with 8 above and individual questionnaires)
"No. Knowledge
11. Where were they in aircraft? No Know ledge
12. What was their condition?
13. When, where, and in what condition did you lest see any members not alryady des-
cribed above?
No.Knowledge
14. Please give ary similar information on personnel of any other crew of which you
have knowledge. Indicate source of information.
No Know te dye.
(Any additional information may be written on the back)
6-3862,1 AF

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Casualty questionnaire, page 26 · 18 July 1944
INDIVIDUAL CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
wase
Name of crew number:
Pas d.
Rank:
Serial number:
Position: Crew (Bomber) Asca. dess.
Did
he bail out? UNKNOWN
Where?
If not, why not?
Last contact or conversation just prior to or at time of loss of plane
None
Was he injureu?
UNKNOW N
Where was be when last
seen? ENTERNING PLENE
Any hearsay information:
UPON Bening Captuyer Some of The
guards showed a Peiy of degtags To mys. If, The Bomaidair
the Co PiLoT f Navigator t Let US Know That The wedyer
ot Those T293 was dead, I do Not Know if The Tags beling Te
The Above S/sqT laTSON
Source:
Any explanation of his fate based in part or wholly on supposition:
NoNe
Total number of missions of above crew member: UNKNOWN
Dates and destinations if possible:
6-3861, AF

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Eyewitness statement, page 27: a de · 18 July 1944
APPPA-II
INDIVIDUAL CASUABTY QUESTIONNAIRE
Name of crew member:
a de
Rank:
Sarial number:
pomer
2
Position: Crow (Bomber)
Asste
Did be bail out?
Uniknown
Where?
Body was found near Kempten. Garmany
If not, why not? Probably shot by German aircraft before he could bail out 8.
Last or conversstion just prior to or at time of loss of plane: I last S.B.W.
and talked to him at take=off. Our plane inter-com was out of order.
Was he injured? Killed.
Where was be when last seen? The waist gunners Alvin D. Kidwall found him
near Kempten, Ger.
Any hearsay information After we met in Prison Camp (the rest of the crew)
Kidwell told us how he had found Dadson's body and had covered it over
with tree branches. He told us that Dadair had no parachute on which
probably accounts for what the radio-operator, John C. Catherine said
relating to the tail of the airplane being complets, y shot off at the
time he bailed out of the burning airplane.
Source: Nvio D. Kidwell. A.S.N.20384705 John C. Catherine A.S.N.13084817
Any explanation of his fate based in part or wholly on supposition: only the fact that
accounts for his parachute not being cn.
Total number of missioni of above crew member Thirty-nine (38)
Dates and destinatione if possible: Unknown by me.
a- - /
6-3861, AF

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Eyewitness statement, page 28 · 18 July 1944
AFPPA-12
CASUA LTY PESTIONNAIRE
*,
1. Your name Hare
Cunningham
Rank T/sgt. Serial No. 36642586
2. Organizati ion 483 Gp Commander Barton Rank Col. Sqn CO German Rank Capt.
(full name)
(full name)
3. What year 1944
month July
day 18
did you go down?
4. Whet was the mission, 39
9 target, Airport
, target
t ime, 10:50
, altitude, 24,000
route scheduled, Unknown
,
route fleam
Unknown
5. Where were you when you left formation?
I.P.
6. Did you bail out?
Yes
7. Did other members of crew bail out? Xest All but the tail gunner
8. Toll all you know about when, where, now each person in your aircraft for whom no
individual questionnaire is attached bailed out. A crew liet is attached. Please
give facts. If you don't know, say: "No Knowledge". The rest of the crew
beiled out and in feir condition except the bombadier, who broke an
ankle, and the ground armament officer who either broke or sprained
en ankle. The rest of the crew made it all right, pear Kempten, Ger
9. Where did your aircraft, strike the ground? Unknown
10. Tibat members of your crew were in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Should
cross check with t above and individuril questionnaires) None.
11. Where were they is aircraft?
12. What was their condition?
13. When, where, and in what condition did you last see any members not already des-
cribed above? LeHavre. France And San Antonio, Taxas
All in good condition when I saw them last.
14.
Please give any similar information on personnel of any other crew of which you
have knowledge. Indicate source of infermation. No mowledge
(Any additional iuformation may be written on the back)
6-3862, AF

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Eyewitness statement, page 29 · 18 July 1944
AFPPA-I1
INDIVIDUAL ASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
Name of crew member :
ABSOU, PJS. de
Rink:
ajagt.
Serial number:
Position: Crew (Bomber)
Ass
Did he bail out? No
Where?
FIRE
If not, why not' ? HE WAS BLOWN OUT OF HIS POSITION BY ENEMY
Last contact or conversation just prior to or at time of loss of plane THE
ANYONE AFTER WE REACHED OUR ALTIVUDE
INTERCOM WAS OUT OF ARDER AND I COULDN I CONTACT
BADLY BURNED AND CUT.
Was he injured? WHEN FOUND ON THE GROUND HIS FACE WAS
THE GERMANS OUR TWO WAIST GUNNE RS
Where was he when last soen? his BODY WAS FOUND ON THE GROUND BY
Any hearsay information: OUR WAIST GUNNERS SAY THAT THE
ENTIRE TAll SECTION OF OUR SHIP WAS BLOWN OFF
BY ENEMY CANNON FIRE AND PAT DADSON FELL our
HIS DOG TAGS WERE SEEN IN POSSE SSION OF A GERMAN
SOLDIER BY ME. HE TOLD ME THE OWNER OF THE
Source: TAGS WAS DEAD.
Any explapation of his fate based in part or wholly on supposition: WE EIGURE
HE WAS KILLED BY ENEMY FIRE AND FELI OUT WHEN THE
TAIL WAS BLOWN OFF. HE FELL TO THE GROUND WITHOUT
A PARACHUTE AND HAD HE BEEN ALIVE WHEN HE FELL
FROM THE SHIP THE FALL WOULD HAVE KILLED HIM.
Total number of missione of above crew member: APPROX 38
Dates and destinations if possible:
6-7861,Ay

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Eyewitness statement, page 3 · 18 July 1944
7097-2
ETD 9. Cunner AN K Alvin D. s/sgt+ 20364705 lrs. G.D. Elavell, (mother)
1540 Mass Ave. S.B.
,
Ru
KIA 10. Asst Arm. Gurror bidsyn, Pat J. MIA S/Sgt, 17127805 Mrs. Lillian Dadson,
and
Washington, D.C.
(moihor), 930 Paseo,
Kansas City, Mo.
whi Passenger
Woodrow W. let Lt. 0862508 DorothyAltiner (wiff) RED
3208 Filmore, Danver, Colt
31. TDENTIFY BETOW THOSE PERSORS ARE BETIEVED TO HAVE LAST OF AIRCRAFT AND
CHECK APPROPETATE Tonly one) COLUMN TO INDICATE BASTS FOR
HAME n. FULL
RANK
SERIAL NUMBER
LAST SIGHTED
1. Willard S. Sperry
Lt. Col.
0-396325
X
2. Janes V. Schofield
I/St
19363285
X
3.llugh N. Rowe
lst Lt.
0690153
X
12.
II PERSONNEL ARE BELIEVED to HAVE SURVIVED, CHECK ONE OF THE FOLLOWING: (x) Parachutes
were used ( ) Persons sean willting away from scene of crash ( ) Any other reason,
(specify) One chute seen to open, coming out of nose. Surrounding
not reasonably concinsivo of KIA casualty status.
13. ATTACH, AS TO MAP, CHART OR SIETOS,
SHOTIN APPROXINATE LOCATION ATRCPAFT WAS LAST SEEN. Attached.
ATTACH, AS INCLOSURES TO THIS ID.PORT, EINITHESS DESCRIPTIONS OF GRASH, FORGED LANDING,
oz OTHER CIRJUNSTANCES PRETAINIZA TO MISSING AIRCRAFT. Attached.
15.
ATTAGH, AS AN INCLOSURE TO THIS A DESCRIPTION OF THE PATENT OF SEARGH, IF ANY,
AND GIVE NAIG, RANK AND SERIAL NUMBER OR OFFICER IN CHARGE Hone, Crew
in eneny occupied territory,
Date of this riport 20 July 1,4
CN
4 Incle:
W. L. LIMN,
Incl 1-Overlay
Major, Air Corps,
Incl 2-Stament lt. Col. Speriy
Operations Officer.
Incl 3-Statsment Lt Roze
Thel h-Statement T/Sat Schofield.
Il

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Casualty questionnaire, page 30: GEORGE S. OWENS · 18 July 1944
AFPPA-12
CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
1. Your name GEORGE S. OWENS
Rank LNOLT Serial No. 0-809412
BARTON
2. Organization 483B Gp Commander Bank Cob. Sqn CO JOHN Gremman CAPT
(full name)
(full name)
3. What year 1944 month JULY
day 18
did you go down?
4. What was the mission, MEMMINGEN targot, HANG ,
t ime, Arerex 1145 altitude, 2 ,000'
route scheduled,
, route flown
5. Where were you when you left formation? OVER IP OF KEMPTEN
6. Did you bail out?
YES
7. Did other members of crew bail out? YES
8.
Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your airoraft for whom no
individual questionnaire is attached bailed out. A crew list is tached. Please
give facts. If you don't know, say: "No Knowledge". LITERESS, SANDERS,
AND ALTILER BAILED OUT RIGHT AFTER I DID I SAW ALL DIE
SURKINING MEMBERS OF MY CREW ON THE GROUND OUT I
CAN'T SAY WHERE WHEN OR HOW THEY BAILED out
9. Where did your aircraft strike the ground?
10. What members of your crew were in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Should
cross check with 8 above and individual questionnaires) NONE
11. Where were they in aircraft? -
12. What was their condition?
-
13. then, where, and in what condition did you last see any members not already des- a
cribed above? his SAN S/SGT PAT DADSON ON THE GROUND PRIOR
TO TEKE DEF FOR THE MISSION.
14. Please give any similar information on personnel of any other crew of which you
have knowledge. Indicate source of information. LT. HOMMEL OF THE 816 thSq
WAS SAID To BE DEAD BY A GERMAN OFFICER WHO HAD HIS DOE
TAGS + PERSONAL EQUIPMENT, ALSO HE MAD Das TAGS, FOUNTAIN
PEN AND OTHER ARTICLES BELENGING to LT EUGENE JACKSON
OF THE 816th So AND SAID HEWAS DEAD TOO.
(Any additional information may be written on the back)
6-3862,AF

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Casualty questionnaire, page 31 · 18 July 1944
AFPPA-11,
INDIVIDUAL CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE File Ne. 7087
Wams of crew member:
DADSON * Pat. J.
Rack:
s/sgt.
derial number:
17127805
Position: Crow (Bomber)
Asst. Arn Gunner.
Did ha bail out?
No
Where?
If not, why not? Was blom frum airoraft
Laet contact or conversation just prior to or at time of losa of plane
Eas
alright before enemy attack.
Was he injured? Killed
Where was he when last seen? At his station {tail gunner)
Any hearsay information:
I believe my enlisted men in waist compartment Baw him
blown from ship and ssid that he was probably daad at the time sinoe he had been
hit by 20 mm.
Source: Conversation with crew members after capture
Any explanation of his fate based in part or wholly on supposition: Tech Sargeant
Catherine and several other enlisted orow members buried him the alme day I believe.
Total number of missions of above craw member: Approximately 10 (The not my
Dates and destinations if possible: July 18, 1944 at 11:00 AM Memuningen
Airdr me, Germony Buried neer Kempten, Geruany
6-3861, AF

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Casualty questionnaire, page 32 · 18 July 1944
MPPA-12
CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
1.
Your namo Clark, James D.
Rank Capt.
Serial No. 0467637
483rd Gp.
Paul E.
John J.
?. Organization 817th Commander Earton
Rank Co?
Sqn CO Gorman
Rank Capte
(full name)
(full name)
3. What year
19bl,
month July
day 18
did you go down?
4. What was the mission, Bomhing
, target, Memmingen Airdrow
, target
time, 11 AM
,altitude, 23.500 feat
route scheduled, Northesst
nith L.P. at Kempten route flown Slight change due to weather
5. Where were you when you left formation? Over I.P. at Kempten. Germany
6. Did you bail out? Blown Out
7. Did other members of crew bail out?
Yos
8. Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no
individual questionnaire is attached bailed eut. A crew list is attached. Please
give facts. If you don't know, say: "No knowledge". All bailed out over
Kampten, Germany properly as soun as ship was disabled-
9. Where did you aircraft strike the ground? Aparaxirately 5 to 10 miles southoast at
Kempten.
10. What members of your crew were in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Should
cross check with 8 above and individual questionnaires)
Hone
11. Where were they in aircraft?
12. Whet was their condition?
13. When, where, and in what condition did you last see any members not already des-
cribed above? Saw praotically all of my orow within a woek or so and all
vore in fairly good shape except Dadson. Somo were injured by 20 mmand two
broke lege on landing.
14. Please give any rimilar information on personnel of any other crew of which you
have knowledge. Indicate aource of information. gan members from prestically
all crows so if any specifie information is meeded on any crews shot downa that
day I will help all A catte Ny address is on back of this sheete
(Any additional information may be written on the back)
6-3862, AF

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Eyewitness statement, page 34: Pas J · 18 July 1944
INDIVIDUAL CASUALTY QURSTIONNAIRE
Fils 1097
Name of crew member:
Pas J.
Rank:
Serial number:
Position: Crew (Bomber)
Anst.
Dad he bail
out? UNKNOWN - Explained or back.
Whers?
KEMPTON, GERMANY
If not, why not?
Last contact or conversation just prior to or at time of loss of plane: ONE HOUR
HETER Taxe OFF - INTERPHONE HALFUNCTION
Was he injured?
Where was be when last seen? Kempter Gy covered with branches
Any hearsay information: He luds liken by Germans
buried along with other dead resulting from
mission
Source : By Friend. who were interned as Pow with me.
Any explanation of bis fate based in part wholly supposition: Due to Keeping
or on
at his tail qun position" he was blown from the tail
by chemy fire when I left plans the entire
bear Section of Verticle Fin was blown off
Total number of missions of above crew member:
41.
Dates and destinations if possible:
ON SEFERATE SHEET.
de
5-3861, AF

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Casualty questionnaire, page 36 · 18 July 1944
AYPPA-12
CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
1. Your carnet LOHN C CATNERING
Rank T/sgt Serial No. 130848.07
2. Organization 483 d Gp Borah Commander Gp: Buton Rank Cl Sqn CO German Rank MMJ.
(ful) name
(full name)
3.
What year 1944
4. What was the mission,
39 month . target, day MEMMINGEN 18 did you go down? ,
July
target
ine, 1075
,altitute,
28500
route scheduled, over
adriss new again ,route flown
as scheduled
5. Where were you when you left formation? 2003 min Before target
6. Did you bail out?
yes
7. Did other members of crew bail out? Yes
8. Tell ail you know about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no
individual questionnaire is attached bailed out. A crew list is attached. Please
give facts. If you don't know, say: "No Knowledge". All BAILED OUT
SAFELY BUT P.J. DADSON 11127805 13qt.
9.
Where did your aircraft strike the ground? No Know ledge
1.0. What members of your crew nere in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Should
cross check with 8 above and individual questionnaires)
None
11. Where were they in aircraft?
12. What was their condition?
13. When, where, and in what condition did you last see any members not already des-
crited above?
HT EMBARKATIN POINT PRIOR
hearing for STATES All and FINE
14. Please give any similar information on personnel of any other crew of which you
have knowledge. Indicate source of information.
10 knowledge
(Any additional information may be written on the back)
6-3862,1 AF

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Eyewitness statement, page 4 · 18 July 1944
CONFIDENTIAL
HEADQUARTERS
1097-3
FOUR EIGHTY THIRD BOMBARDMENT GROUP (x)
APO 520
Statement of Witness
On 18 July 1944 the 483rd Bombardment Group (H) vent into the
assigned target area without fighter escort or other group support. As
the initial point was approached appruximately seventy-five (75) enemy
fighters svept by the group formation on the right making a wide turn at
the rear in preparation for a tail attack.
When the 483rd Group executed the turn onto the bombing run the
four bokes went into the box-in-trail formation, While the turn was being
made, the aforementioned enemy fighters attacked, supported by an addition
al force of equal fighter strength. The estimated total enemy fighter
strength was approximately 175-200 when the tail attack was made.
Seven airplanes of the 816th Bombarcment Squadron made up the number
four box, and the entire eneny fighter strength made a concentrated attack
on these seven airplanes. Three B-17's were shot to pieces while in level
flight and while maintaining their positions in formatione A fourth went
down, apparently shot out of control, and broke apart as soon as the ship
went into 3 spin. The three remaining sirplenes of the 816th Squadron
drifted out of formation and appeared to be out of control, two of which
beginning to burn. Several occasional parachuies were seen aithough
a number of crew members were thrown from their ships and it is unknom
whether their parachutes functioned.
A considerable number of enemy fighters were shot down by the gunners
in these ships while the attack was being made, but the fighter fire power
was overwhelming. The enemy attack was made in such a manner that very fem
guns of each airplone cou. d bear on the fighters.
The fighte. attack was executad in waves of 5 and 6 ships in close
javelin formation closing directly and on a level with the tail of each B-17.
The fighter waves concentrated on 2 or 3 ships on an atcack, and fired only
on the rearmost airplanes.
The fighters moved up to the number three bex after destroying the
airplanes of the 816th Squadron, and five ships of the 817th Squadron were
destroyed in the same manner.
Twelve remaining airplanes of the 483rd Group reached the target and
dropped their bembs.
WILLARD S. SPERRY;
Lt. Col., Air Corpe,
Deputy Group Commander.

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German capture report, page 9 · 18 July 1944
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