Aircraft
44-6422
816thlost with the 483rd, 20 March 1945
- Type
- B-17G-50-DL (Douglas)
- Assigned to the 483rd
- 19 August 1944
- Loss
- MACR 13048 · mission 184, 20 March 1945
- Sources
- American Air Museum · b17flyingfortress.de
Flags. not on the Association aircraft pages; known from the databases and a report
Loss and incident records
History
- 1 August 1944Delivered Kearney
- 10 August 1944Dow Fd
- 19 August 1944Assigned 816BS/483BG Sterparone
- Missing in Action Vienna 20/3/45 with Arnold Kessler, Pickel, Brechbill, Jublinski, Harrison, Dobken, Vaughn, Thumma, Greene, Wilkey, Prado (11 evaded capture)
- flak, crashed Somboy, but crew return
- Missing Air Crew Report 13048
Dates and events from Dave Osborne's B-17 Master Log, as published by b17flyingfortress.de; wording condensed to the facts.
Statements
Eyewitness statement, page 10 · 20 March 1945
ATPPA-11
Fille # 13048
INDIVIDUAL CASUALIY QUESTIONNAIRE
Name of Grow momber:
Cheater J.
Rank:
2ni
Serial rumber:
Position: Crow (Somber) vor Wight
Remberdiez
Did he ball out/ ?
the
Where? No
No need for anyone to bail out.
If not, why
Last contact or conversation just prior to'or at time of loss of plane: Not
as 1 was not on the phone
Was ne injured?
Where was he when last seon?
Italy
none.
Any heargay information:
Source:
None.
I think That
Any explanation of his fate besed in part or wholly on supposition:
He ig in the states.
Total number of missions of above crew member: approximetly
Dates and destil tions if possible: Ndt known,
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National Archives, MACR 13048, page 10 · Machine-read from microfilm, uncorrected.
Eyewitness statement, page 11 · 20 March 1945
APPRA-DO
CASUALTY
1. Your name Rupert D. Gréente Jr.
Rank Eat.
Serial No. 14195230
2. Orgenization 483 Commander Collegn CO J. Maj.
(full name)
(full nane)
3. What year 1945
month March
day 20
did you go down?
4. What was the mission, Fiva # target, Vienna, Auatria * target
time, about 20 pm
,altitude, 6.000
route scheduled, Not
known
route flown Not known
5. Where were you when you left formation? Near Gratz
6. Did you bail out?
7. Did other members of crew bail out?
No
8. Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no
individual questionnaire is attached balied nut. A crew list is attached. Please
give facts. If you don't know, say: "No Knowledge", No Knowledge
9. Whore did your eircraft strike the ground? Fombor, Yugo.
10. Whot members of your crow ware in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Should
cross check with 8 above and individual qusstionnaires) #11 Of the grew
were In the plane upon landing.
11. Where were they in airoreft? ALL except the copiit and the
Engineer vere in the radio Toom
12. What was their condition? perfoct
13. When, where, and in what condition did you last 860 any members not already des-
oribad above? ähen I left the AVO
14. Please give any similar information on personnel of any other orew of which you
have knowledge. Indicate source of information. NO Knowie de.
(Aay additional information may be written on the back) a- and /
6-3862, AF
National Archives, MACR 13048, page 11 · Machine-read from microfilm, uncorrected.
Eyewitness statement, page 12 · 20 March 1945
APFRA-11
INDIVIDUAL EASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRI
#
Name of orew zember:
de
Rank:
the
Serial number:
Resition: Crow (Bomber) or
Did he ball out? no
Where?
If not why not? Stip was landed
Last contact or conrersation jusi prior to or at time of 1088 of plane:
Was he injured? no
Whero
Any
paturn heateay Information: to u. in. July
was be when last seen? for states - amothing
NA, but l de know some 4 these cances
went down on the may Fact
Source: e
Any explanation part wholly supposition: 4 Lt
of his fate besed in or on
factinati is misting it was on tie
return to like states. the usee situant
to am Bace in Asly with tide Best of
the crew and the last f naw em man
at Deace: destination
-
Total number of missions of above crew member: Approxis duly 20
Dates and destinations
if poesible: no Branledge
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National Archives, MACR 13048, page 12 · Machine-read from microfilm, uncorrected.
Eyewitness statement, page 13: Herald E Memma · 20 March 1945
AFPPA-12
CASUALTY QURSTINNAIRE
1. Your name Herald E Memma Rank 6. Serial No. 37617084
+83 Bland Age faul L. Butha
2. Organisation
Gp Commande:"
Rank Col. 349 9,
fact d. Dangler
Ank may
(hull name)
(full name)
5.
What year 1945 month march day 20 did you go down?
4. What was the mission, Vienra , target, ait , target
time, no knowly altitude,
route scheduled, the
knowledge voute flown the Bnowledge
5. Where were you when you left formation ? new Vienna
6. Did you bail out? nu
7. Dld other members of crew bail out? no
8. Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no
Individual questionnaire is attachnd bailed out. A crew list is attached. Please
give facts. If you don't know, say; "No Knowlodge", 70 2726 failed
out
0.
Where did your aircreft otrike the ground? Landed widn Sombon Hugs
10. What members of your crew were in the airoraft when it atruck the ground? (Should
eross check with 8 above and individual questionnaires) all
11. Where were they in aircrati? Crack position
12.
What
was
their
condition?
quite
nervous,
but
good
Leeha
13. When, where, and in what condition did you lest see any members not already des-
cribed above? With the eduption of the pilot
Lt. annold 20. Reaster at where mount
to 4. I when s this saw thema. the
wed the remain with the american
missian a bedreen Hungry and
Rauesh seen am since
14. Please give any similar information on personnel of any other orew of which you
have knowledge. Indicate source of intormation.
none
(Any additionel informatir n may be written on the back)
6-3862,AF
National Archives, MACR 13048, page 13 · Machine-read from microfilm, uncorrected.
Casualty questionnaire, page 14 · 20 March 1945
AFPPA-11
INDIVIDUAL CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
Name of crow member:
de
Rank:
the
Serial number:
0-2000000
Position: Crow (Bomber)
Did he bail out? no
Where?
If
not, why not? He flew the sty th friendly burtony
Last contact or conversation just prior to'or at time of loss of plane: When
Sharma from ation
Was he injured? no
Where
was he whon last seen? Returned 40321 B.H with m
Any hearsay information:
Source:
Any explanation of his fate based in part or wholly on supposition: thusbald
the safe at have and le returned to the
O
home have with the
I
Total
number of missions of above orew member: appears 25
Dates and destinations if possible: don't famor
6-3861,AF
National Archives, MACR 13048, page 14 · Machine-read from microfilm, uncorrected.
Eyewitness statement, page 15: Breahbill, by Z · 20 March 1945
AFPPA-12
7
CASUANTY QUESTIONNAIRE
N Your name
Breahbill, by Z.
Rank 1stht Serial No. 0-2068920
2. Organization #53-1 Gp Commander. 61 Buln Rank al Sqn CO MeAlister Rank Had.
(full name)
(full name)
3. What year 1945
month March day 20 did you go down?
4. What was the mission, Vienna 9 target, Kagram oil Ref , target
time, than ,route ,altitude, flown NI 20000 a to Visnna
route scheduled, don't
5.
Where were you when you left formation' Tomin N of Marilano
6. Did you bail out?
No
e
7. Did other members of crew bail out?
No
8.
Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your ifroraft for whom no
individual questionnaire is atteched beiled out. A erew liet te attached. Pleese
give facts. If you don't know, say: "No Knowledge" None buled ant.
9. Where did your airorait strike the ground? Zenibar
10. What members of your orew were in the aircraft whon it struck the ground? (Should
cross check with 8 above and Individual questionraires) All
11.- Where were they in aircraft? in ralie room to x cept pilot + wights
12. What was their condition? all well
13.
When, whens, and in what condition did you last see any members not already des-
cribad aboie? ALL returns with me cept it Arnald D
Keisla ** fath Harald Dabkin who remaints and
Dobrecon, dungary
14.
Please give any similar Information on personnel of any other orew of which you
have knowledge. Indicate source of information.
n
Kno
clinic
in
ast
(Any additional information may be written on the back)
6-3862,AF
National Archives, MACR 13048, page 15 · Machine-read from microfilm, uncorrected.
Eyewitness statement, page 2 · 20 March 1945
V
the MOSING AIR UREW REPORT
13048
13
#
1
Or Italy
Command or Air Force 35th AF
Groud
Bomb (i))
Squadron 016th Bonb (H)
2 SPECIFY: Place of departire
Course See attached averlays
Target
Vagean 011 Refinery, Austria. Type of mission
Gombat Bonbing
3, WEATHER CONDITIONS AND VISIBIUTY AT TIME OF CPASH OR WHEN LAST GEPORTED
2/10 Undereast -
4. dive (#) Date 20 Varch 1945 Tiale 1235 Last position 15 I 11
(b) Specify whether:
( ) Last sighted, ( ) Forced dov'a, to Seen to Prash,
Last contacted by radio, 1 No Information.
5. Alle-RAF: (LOST) (BELIEVED LOST) A5 A RESULT OF: (Chech: one only)
( alreraft, Enemy anti-alrciaft, ) Other
Unicom.
0. AIRCRAFT: a serles 9-170
AGF Serial Number
Ti MICKNAME OF AIRCRAPT
None
8 ENDINIS: Type, mode. de series R-1820-97
AAF Serial Number (#)
(b)
(c)
(d)
9. INSTALLED WEAPONS: (Make, type and serial number)
Broming .50 Cal.
(*) 1265845
(e) 1305230
0) 94010
(a) 143318
(b)
1756130
(f) 9hom
(1) 721998
(c)
7h9485
(*) 1266371
(I) 1266052
(d)
1305/10
(h) 1256352
(1)
10, PERSONNEL LISTED BELOW REPORTED AS: Baitle Casualty, Non-Balde Casualty,
11. NUMBER OF PERSONS ABOARD AIRCRAFT: Crew 11 : Passengers 0
: Total 11
# mote than 12 persons aboan) use separate
CHEW
FULE NAME (Last, first,
CURRENT NEXT OF KIN, WELATIONSHIP
POSITION RANK, SERIAL NUMBER
STATUS AND ADDRESS
(1) Pilot De 2nd Lt.
lhith Khaster
0-826183
7 Borden Terrace, Haplewned,
(2)
Pickol, T. 2nd Lt.
- Nother
0-83225
Route the Tonn.
N
Guy L. 2nd the
the Testar M. = Pather
0-2058940
1h8 North lith Souderton,
B
Chaster J 2nd the
Mes. Cella M. Wicha - Mother =
0-2001870
6058 Van Dyke Ave, Detroit,
TT
Alva M. T/SgL.
01a - With
30.05316
Bex 98, Davia,
0
WG
les B,
WA RAMI Varias Vau - = BIP
11/00/11
Snow Tane, Clänton, Comn.
Dobken, Harold J. s/sgt. MM Sara Doblen Mother =
1220607
8612 Hudson Boolevard, Horth
ay
BT
D. Jr. Sgt.
M- n. arnone Sr. -
RAC
RED, Banks:
WO
Willing, E. Agt.
Mes. Qladys = -
ATD
34899627
Box 2he Stanlay, North Carolina
(10)
ROTO,
Trado, Arnand B. T/azt.
Mra. B. Peado = Wite
Aro
38117626
1325 E. Jefferson Fort
OIN TO
Harold
1000
Mra: Imella Thums - Nother
37677005 t
KMC Lown,
on
12. IDENTIFY BELOW
ISONS WHO ANE BRLIEVED TO HAVE LAST KNOWLEDGE or AIRCRAFT
AND CHECK
the
the enty) COLUMN TO INDICATE BASIS FOR SAME:
SAW
CONTICTED LAST SAW FORCED
NAME M PE
RANK SERIAL No. BY RADIO SIGHTED CRATA LANDING
(1)
A
0-823345
Y
(2)
and
(3)
13. IF PERSO
a
ARE BELIEVED TO HAVE SURVIVED, CHECK ONE OF THE
IN
Parachs were used. the ) Persons were seem walling anay from the scene of the crash.
) Other Thons (specify) - dee statement.
14. ATTACH MOTOGRAPH, MAP OR SKETCH SHOWING LAST KNOWN LOCATION OF AIRCHAFT Mached
15. ATTZEA DESCRIFTIONS OF CRASH, FORCED LANDING, OR OTFAR CIPCUHSTANCES. Attach
10. ATTACH A DESCRIFTION OF EXTENT OF SEARCH, IF ANY, AND DIVE N/ME, PANK AND SERIAL ode
NUMBER OFFICER IN CHARGE OF SEARCH HERE. None,
2
Inel 11 Overlay.
Date 22 March 1945
Onu
Indl Statement of
figual to of preparting
witness.
MATTO T.
Air Corps,
Actg.
National Archives, MACR 13048, page 2 · Machine-read from microfilm, uncorrected.
Casualty questionnaire, page 5 · 20 March 1945
APPRA- 11
INDIVIDUAL CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
PAZO / 29048
of Jamber:
de
Raok:
2ed the
Sorial number:
0-3000/20
Position: Crow (Bomber) en
Did he ball out? no
Where?
If
not, why act; The need to
Leat contact or conversation just prior to or a time of loss of plane: We
returned back Base tagara
Was he injured? me
Where was
9 came name
he when lest seon? 423al slep. where
Any hearsay Information:
Dave
Sóurce:
Any explanution of bie fate besed in part or wholly on supposition:
He was in
Condition when Italy
after U- Day-
Total number of missions of above crew member: either Heor 23
Dates and destinations if possible:
220 Kamalida
(our)
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National Archives, MACR 13048, page 5 · Machine-read from microfilm, uncorrected.
Casualty questionnaire, page 7 · 20 March 1945
AJPPA-12
CASUALTY QUESTIONNAIRE
1. Your neme Du Bose, Allan D.
Rank Capt Sevial No. 0.663703
2. Organization 311Grpop Commander Melton,H,R Rank Col. Sqn CO Newconb s Rank Capy
(full name)
(full name)
3. What
year 1943 month Decrease day / did you go down?
4. What was the mission, Pember escert target, Ranquen, Burnit , target
time, 1300
altitude, 18,100
route scheduled, Rama Ramu
441
then
route
flown
RAMU
to
BASSECT
Berman
Met
#
bembers
home from tarjoy,
compa
1'e Rangon
5.
There
were
you
whén
you
left
formation?
over
coast
NN
W
of
Bassein,
Burma
6. Did you bail out? yes
7. Did other members of and crew single place ship
crew ball out? with
8.
Tell all you know about when, where, how each person in your aircraft for whom no
individual questionnaire is atcached bailed out. A grow list is attached. Please
give facte. If you don't know, say: "No Knowledge".
9.
Where did your aircra.t strike the ground? in Bay of Bengal
10. members of your crow were in the aircraft when it struck the ground? (Should
02088 check with 8 above and individual questionnaires)
11. Where wore they in airoraft?
18. What was their condition?
1.5. When, where, and in what condition dia you last see any members not alrerdy des-
cribed above?
14. Please give any similar Information on personnel of any other orew of which you
have knowledge. Indicate source of information. All Knowledge / have
concerning inmates in prison has been given directly #
relayed to work of him
(Any additional information may be written on the
back) a
6-3862,AF
National Archives, MACR 13048, page 7 · Machine-read from microfilm, uncorrected.
Eyewitness statement, page 8: Alue m · 20 March 1945
AFMT-
PP A-8
if
CASUALTY
the
16 Your name Alue m.
Rank Light Serial No. 384D5216
a Which e. Sperny e Sinn CO
F
2. Organi Op Commander
Rank
(full nante)
(full name)
3. What your 1945 month maRing day 20 did you go down?
AUSTRIA
4. Wha was the m fission, * target, KAGRAN Q/n ,
target
time,
;altivude, 29,000
routé scheduled,
route flown
5.
Where were you when you left formation? TO min.
south
al
thenna
6.
Did you bail out?
Dia out 4
7. Did other memberd of crew bail out?
Vis-
8. Tell all you know about when, Where, how each person in your aircraft for whom TO
Individual questionnaire is attached bailed out. A crew list is attached. Please
give facts. If you don't know, say: "No Knowledge".
none tail out- -
n pilameters
9.
Where
did
your
aircraft
strike
the
amound?
Landed
south
west
xomby
10. What members of your crew were in the aircraft when it struck the ground?
cross check with B above and individual questionnaires) all were
in plane your it lanses 11 in
all
11. Where were they in sircraft?
Radis Room
12.
What was their condition? Bile-allork
13. When, where, and in what condition did you last see any membera not already deg-
cribed above?
the Knowledge
14.
Please give any similar information on personnel of any other crew of which you
have krowledge. Indicate source of Information. while in
a B-24 Crew 1 Aodt with
Dunavist Huncary the name 4-242
dds. Perfect the forced landel
They were from 15 air force
thin to also Thes T
(Any back) art
additional information may be written on the
(tive)
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